I was once a member. I left because I knew it was a bunch of bull. I hear people around me who THINK I am still a member say things like “Gays will burn in hell, Gays deserve everything they get, Somebody ought to kill that gay.” It just goes on and on.

LDS people get it from their leaders. Yes, LDS people are bigoted, liars, phoney and given any opportunity, thieves.

It does not surprised me at all that the LDS Gestapo did this. I am sorry to say bad things this happen with some frequency to gays in Utah. I know this. enough said.

Hypocrites!

You are correct, which is why I made numerous references throughout the post that I did not have the full story and that nothing was confirmed.

As more details come in, I will update the post accordingly.

These are extraordinary accusations and they require extraordinary proof. I trust the source, though, which is why I decided to place this post in the first place.

1. Was there was more going on or said?

2. If not, someone was grossed out, complained, and some church security person asked the two to leave, they refused to leave private property and were arrested.

I don’t know which, and you don’t seem to either. Since the Church didn’t arrest them, and some cop didn’t only because they were holding hands, you don’t have all your facts yet.

The excessive use of force on the part of their thugs is uncalled for. At no time did we threaten them or were violent to them in any way. They threw Derek because he’s small.

All they had to do was ignore us and we would have been through there in under a minute. Instead they thought it’d be fun to try and harass the gays.

““The bottom line is that city residents and visitors alike will continue to pass through the Plaza and be ‘funneled’ to the City’s central commercial and shopping district, but as they do so they will be subjected to the LDS Church’s point of view without the ability to respond with views of their own, at the risk of being jailed for ‘trespass.’”

I agree that, as a purely land-rights issue, the Church’s actions were justified. But I also feel that there is a greater issue that, like Kyle was saying, is a gross overreaction that originates out of fear and hatred.

This is what concerns me.

A dominating power is repressing people for no other reason that that they disagree with them – this concept is counter to liberty and the ideals of our republic.

However, I also think that this “Pseudo-public property” is nothing but a farce. If the church wanted the land to be used freely by anyone then it should allow anyone on the property regardless of sexual orientation. However, if they are going to restrict access then it should be advertised in all main entrances (the same way they advertise that guns are not allowed in their meeting spaces) as well as privately patrolled by their security and reported as necessary.