Comments on: The Coming Storm – The LDS Church must Fully Discuss Gay Rights http://blueinredzion.com/2009/07/the-coming-storm-the-lds-church-must-fully-discuss-gay-rights/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-coming-storm-the-lds-church-must-fully-discuss-gay-rights Poorly Spelled, Properly Thought Out. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:20:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Blue in Red Zion » Blog Archive » Analysis of LDS Churches Change in Tone on Tuesday http://blueinredzion.com/2009/07/the-coming-storm-the-lds-church-must-fully-discuss-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-532 Blue in Red Zion » Blog Archive » Analysis of LDS Churches Change in Tone on Tuesday Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:09:48 +0000 http://blueinredzion.com/?p=612#comment-532 [...] is exactly the same thought pattern that caused these tensions in the first place.  As I discussed in an earlier post, the LDS Church and the GLBT community needed to use the heated debate surrounding these issues to [...] [...] is exactly the same thought pattern that caused these tensions in the first place.  As I discussed in an earlier post, the LDS Church and the GLBT community needed to use the heated debate surrounding these issues to [...]

]]> By: Curtis http://blueinredzion.com/2009/07/the-coming-storm-the-lds-church-must-fully-discuss-gay-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-475 Curtis Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:34:45 +0000 http://blueinredzion.com/?p=612#comment-475 Due to a firewall issue, David could not post the following - but I am happy to reprint his remarks (unedited, copied straight from email): You are making the assumption that the church would deny housing to a gay couple in City Creek - I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Even if there never were an equal rights ordinance passed by Salt Lake City or County I would not be surprised to find that the church never felt the need to deny housing to any gay couple that was not engaging in behavior that would be grounds for denying any other potential resident the housing they seek (I don't dare provide examples lest I be accused of suggesting that gays are any more likely than anyone else to engage in specific illegal behaviors). I would be foolish to argue that there is no bigotry or homophobia to be found among faithful LDS members but I think you are holding a mistaken assumption that there is some monolithic, centrally controlled, official LDS position that is different from the public statements made by church leaders. (It's a mistake that I have seen commonly held by LDS and non-LDS alike.) You mistake the actions of some groups of (allegedly LDS) people as being representative of the entire church and not just representative of their own segment of LDS society. None of this should suggest that the church will sail through this issue unscathed, but I would not rest to heavily on the actions that you have assumed that the church will take in the future when declaring how this will play out. Due to a firewall issue, David could not post the following – but I am happy to reprint his remarks (unedited, copied straight from email):

You are making the assumption that the church would deny housing to a gay couple in City Creek – I think you’re getting ahead of yourself. Even if there never were an equal rights ordinance passed by Salt Lake City or County I would not be surprised to find that the church never felt the need to deny housing to any gay couple that was not engaging
in behavior that would be grounds for denying any other potential resident the housing they seek (I don’t dare provide examples lest I be accused of suggesting that gays are any more likely than anyone else to engage in specific illegal behaviors).

I would be foolish to argue that there is no bigotry or homophobia to be found among faithful LDS members but I think you are holding a mistaken assumption that there is some monolithic, centrally controlled, official LDS position that is different from the public statements made by church leaders. (It’s a mistake that I have seen commonly held by LDS and non-LDS alike.) You mistake the actions of some groups of (allegedly LDS) people as being representative of the entire church and not just representative of their own segment of LDS society.

None of this should suggest that the church will sail through this issue unscathed, but I would not rest to heavily on the actions that you have assumed that the church will take in the future when declaring how this will play out.

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